Spotlight on Grace to Change: Transforming Lives Through Recovery

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I believe and anybody that knows me knows that I say the same thing.

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People will do if you tell them to do.

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Yes.

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We have to educate people on what

we need, and that is my biggest.

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For anybody that is in the nonprofit

world, anybody trying to do something

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to help people, just educate people.

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Just educate 'em because the

world in general is still good.

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Wendy Kidd: Welcome to The NonProfit

Nook, the podcast for nonprofit

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leaders, board members, and community

change makers who want to build

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stronger, smarter organizations.

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I'm your host, Wendy Kidd, a longtime

business owner and nonprofit leader,

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and I'm here to bring you real talk,

real tools and real stories to help

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you thrive in the nonprofit world.

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I'll be talking with local nonprofit

leaders, community change makers

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and experts in everything from board

development to fundraising and digital

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tools, sharing real stories and simple

strategies you can actually use.

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Because running a nonprofit is hard,

but you don't have to do it alone.

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Let's get started.

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Welcome everyone to The NonProfit Nook.

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One of my guests today is someone

who truly embodies what it

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means to turn a personal journey

into a mission for change.

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Shannon White is the Founder and

Executive Director of Grace to Change

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a nonprofit outpatient treatment

center, helping people in Collin County

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find hope and healing from addiction.

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She started her career in early childhood

education after graduating from the

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University of Texas at Austin, but after

own recovery journey began in: 2007

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she felt called to do something different.

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Shannon went back to school, became a

licensed chemical dependency counselor,

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and in 2011 opened Grace to Change.

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In 2017, it officially became a nonprofit,

so she and her team could better serve

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those in our community who need it most.

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Shannon's not just running a

nonprofit, she's in it every day.

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She's taught moral recognition

therapy classes inside the

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Collin County Jail since 2014.

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Works closely with local drug courts

and continues to be a powerful

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advocate for those facing addiction.

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I'm so excited to have her today

to share the impact of her work.

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Welcome, Shannon.

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Shannon White: Thanks.

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Glad to be here.

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Wendy Kidd: And then we also have my

other guest today brings heart lived

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experience and a whole lot of energy

to her role in the nonprofit world.

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Kim Hughes is the Administrative Director

of Grace to Change, and while she's

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worked there since 2016, her connection

to the organization runs even deeper.

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Before joining the team, Kim

experienced the impact of Grace to

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Change firsthand as a parent navigating

her daughter's recovery journey.

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That experience shaped her passion for

supporting families going through the same

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thing, and she hasn't looked back since.

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Kim's work is more than a

job to her, it's her mission.

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She's been recognized time and again

for her community involvement, including

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being named Leadership McKinney, Alumni

of the Year in: 2022

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McKinney's Volunteer of the year in 2020.

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Whether she's coordinating programs,

showing up for families, or leading

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a service project around town,

Kim shows up with her whole heart.

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She's a proud mom, a new grandma,

and a big believer in the power

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of community, and I can't wait

for you to hear from her as well.

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Welcome, Kim.

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Hello to be here.

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Love having you two here.

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I'm so excited.

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In case anyone out there doesn't know I

am good friends with these two ladies.

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They are definitely somebody that

I consider a community champion.

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Both of them.

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They have their hands in so much around

town and I'm just honored that you

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guys chose to be part of the podcast.

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Thank you.

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Thank for letting us.

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Of course.

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So tell me a little bit more about Grace

To Change, how it got started and why you

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decided to make it a nonprofit Shannon.

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Shannon White: So Grace to Change

came out of a pure passion for helping

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people who most of the time wouldn't be

able to afford treatment on their own.

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And so we started out as

a very unsuccessful for.

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For profit company because if people

got to the door and they didn't

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have money, we let 'em in anyway.

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And so it, there was a fund, a funding

change when there used to be something

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called North Star and the county made

the decision that LifePath was gonna be

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our local behavioral health authority.

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And in order to accept that funding,

we had to become a nonprofit.

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And so we sold the

for-profit to the nonprofit.

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And, and started off, got a

board and continued on that way.

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We started with just adults and

then somewhere in that we ended up.

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Needing to do adolescents as well.

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One of the judges asked if we

would do adolescents, so we

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teach adolescents and adults now.

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Wendy Kidd: Well, as somebody who

has a history of, family members with

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addiction, I greatly appreciate the

service that you provide out there in

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the community is definitely something

that is near and dear to my heart, and

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I just really appreciate you doing this.

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How do you kind of keep in touch

with what your clients need?

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How do you kind of gauge that?

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Shannon White: The, the universe kind of

drops something like fentanyl in our lap.

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And unfortunately, you know, we, we

kind of just rise to the occasion.

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There's ebbs and flows.

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Um, there was a time when

cocaine was really high.

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There was a time when

methamphetamine was really high.

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Now cocaine is back again.

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And the, the Fentanyl crisis has

really just kind of been debilitating.

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We've lost clients, young clients,

16-year-old to a fentanyl overdose.

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Um, and it, it just, you know,

society kind of dictates the stress

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of COVID, created lots of alcoholism.

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And so we had to, we went through that.

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So we basically just kind of

meet people where they are

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with whatever they bring us.

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Wendy Kidd: Mm gotcha.

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So what all different

services do you offer?

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Shannon White: So we do intensive

outpatient, which is three

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times a week for six weeks.

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Then we do supportive outpatient, which

is two times a week for six weeks.

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And then.

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Anybody that wants to start a business

does not need to follow my example, but

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we give free aftercare for life because

addiction is a lifelong illness and

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we can't just treat it for six weeks

or 12 weeks and expect it to be done.

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So we have free aftercare for life.

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We also do substance abuse evaluations

for child protective services,

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and we do evaluations for people

on probation, pretrial, those

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kinds of things, and individual

counseling and family counseling.

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Wendy Kidd: You are well

embedded in the system.

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That is for sure.

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Mm-hmm.

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So tell us a success story or

two, I wanna hear the good stuff.

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Tell me where you feel like you've

really, what you've accomplished.

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Shannon White: So it's interesting, we

had a guy come back last night who I

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met 16 years ago in a drug court and.

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He had struggled with his addiction

and he stayed in connection with

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us and he came back and he's

actually had three years clean now.

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And so he came back and talked

to Kim and I yesterday and was

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talking about how, you know, I used

to say, we gotta find a purpose.

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You gotta have something that matters.

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And we were trying to.

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Put his skills together.

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So he was a construction manager, so

he's been working with the flooding

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victims and the catastrophes.

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And one of the things I said

to him was, I really wish you'd

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get your chaplain's license.

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You've got such a good Christian heart.

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It would be a perfect blend.

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So when he came in yesterday,

gosh, it made me wanna cry.

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When he came in yesterday, he

said, I'm using my expertise.

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To help these people.

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And I'm also getting

my chaplain's license.

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And he said, and none of

it would've been possible.

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And that was a connection that has

lasted literally 15 years from one of

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the drug courts that I worked with.

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Wendy Kidd: Wow.

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That's so cool.

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Kim, tell me one of your

stories that you like.

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Kim Hughes: I'm gonna tell

you my personal story.

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Tell me I met Shannon in, um.

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My daughter was 15, I

think, in drug court.

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And so before I came to work here, and

she was a hot mess and everybody knew,

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Shannon White: not me, her daughter,

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Wendy Kidd: let's clarify, right?

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Shannon was not the hot mess.

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Probably Kim's daughter was

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Kim Hughes: Kim.

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Kim's daughter was the hot mess.

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Yes.

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Anybody that knows me knows

I'm kind of a hot mess.

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So, um, she followed kind of my footsteps,

but she, she went down a really ugly path

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and it was really scary there for a while.

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And, um, yeah.

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The county stepped up and helped and

said, Hey, we really think that this child

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would benefit from a juvenile drug court.

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Um, I was blessed to meet Shannon

in that ju juvenile drug court.

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The judges, uh, her probation officer

who was her probation officer, who

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literally would come shake her room down

at two o'clock in the morning because.

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In drug court, especially juvenile

drug court, it is very intense.

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They, they're trying to make

sure that these kids are set up

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for success later on in life.

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Um, so I have a little heart

for the juveniles because I

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see where it can take them.

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So skip ahead 10 years.

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She.

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Sober, thriving in the community,

going to school, runs a business,

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has a child like life can change.

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And there was a point that I

did not think that was possible.

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And now she is such a thriving

person in our community.

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She's with me at everything I do.

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So people know her.

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She's.

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We don't talk about her story.

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She doesn't like to talk about it much.

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I talk about it because I think

it's something to be very proud of.

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Yeah, like the overcoming.

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You don't need to know all the details,

but you need to know that she went

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through a lot and she overcame it,

and that is because she had support.

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She still comes and sees Shannon.

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She still comes and

hangs out of our office.

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Her probation officer still

has her picture in her

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office 10, 11 years later as.

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It's something to look at, to be

like, miracles happen, things happen,

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and I think that that's kind of what

really drew me to want to be a part

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of Grace to Change, is because my

family was directly affected and I saw

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what love was poured in to my family

In our deepest, darkest days in.

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Now it's just bright and happy, and I

get to celebrate that every day with

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Shannon when people like that walk in.

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And then I also get to celebrate

those days that the parent

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walks in just like I did.

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Into Shannon's office 10 years

ago at their worst day ever.

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'cause we had one of those

yesterday too, right?

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Like Yeah.

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Their worst day ever with their child.

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Is it ever gonna get better?

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Yes it is.

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Just stick with it.

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You know, and you that we can offer

that hope and you know, that, you

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know, is everybody gonna get better?

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No, that's, that's not gonna happen.

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But if we can offer people hope and

support and love, and we'll do that,

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one of our favorite things that we

do at our office is answer the phone.

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We answer the phone like

that's not normal anymore.

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And we will talk to you

and we will spend probably.

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Way more time than we should, but

in our opinion, it's not too much.

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Even if you're not coming to us,

we wanna offer people that love

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in the worst moment of their life.

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'cause we only have a little

bit of time sometimes.

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To offer 'em when they're reaching out.

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So we do that.

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We talk to people all the time

and we love answering our phone.

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Wendy Kidd: I think everybody can hear

the love in both of y'alls voices.

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Uh, again, I just wanna say thank

you 'cause I've been that person too.

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Um, not to disclose my family

member's business at all, but I

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definitely have a family member who's.

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Been down that road,

and I think we all do.

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I mean, I think everybody is, and the

more people you talk to, the more you

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find that everybody's got this in common.

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Um, and not everybody

has the success story.

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I'm, I'm lucky to have the success story.

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Mm-hmm.

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My family member's been in sobriety

for seven years and that's amazing.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, because they were in it, not in

sobriety for a lot longer than that.

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Right.

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But not everybody gets that success story.

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But having just somebody to talk

to, you know, you guys answering

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the phone, that's just huge.

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That's huge.

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Kim Hughes: And we

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started.

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Talking to people.

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At the beginning, we weren't

in the community as much.

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Now we're in the community.

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People know us, they know our stories.

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They, we share our stories.

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It's the thing I told my daughter,

like, your testimony is my testimony

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and we're gonna share it because we're

gonna save some more people off of that.

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And I truly believe that that is the case.

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Once, uh, Shannon spoke in group

last night about that, once you

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find that recovery piece you want.

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To naturally give it away.

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To other people.

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And that's what we hope we create at

Grace to Change is love and foundation.

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So you can give that away.

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To the next person.

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Shannon White: We had a neat

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guy start last night, um, with a CPS case.

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And those are always stressful,

you know, there's just extra

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layers of stress with kids.

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And it was his first night and he walked

up afterwards and got on a schedule for

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an individual and he literally said,

y'all already feel like my family.

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And he was with us for two hours.

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Uh, he got attached to Kim during his

intake, but he was such a nice guy, and

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literally there's no greater compliment.

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That's, that's what we want.

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Like, we want you to feel that

connection that quickly and that love,

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um, for as long as you'll be with us.

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Wendy Kidd: Well, I think that's because

you two come across so authentically,

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you know, you're not, you're not

just doing this as a business.

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You're doing this outta love.

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What's the favorite part of what you do?

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What, what's something that

you just really love doing?

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Shannon White: Uh, this is

gonna sound super crazy, but

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I love when someone comes in.

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A day or two after their worst event,

and we get to say, Hey, this is gonna be

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the best thing that ever happens to you.

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Um, it doesn't feel like it now,

but this is gonna be the catalyst

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that makes the change for you.

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And just meet 'em right where they

are, whether they're hung over, whether

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they're, we've got people that come

and they're withdrawing, you know?

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We, we get 'em in all lanes.

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Sometimes they stay on our couch for.

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A day or so, just 'cause we don't have

drugs in our office, so if you're in our

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on our couch, you're not gonna get drugs.

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So, you know, I think it's just

that initial connection to people

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that I think is so powerful.

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People would want me to say it's the

success stories and, and I love those.

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I think they're powerful and

they're great, but it's that for

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me in my recovery, it's getting

somebody at their worst and helping

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'em get pulled out of that hole.

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Wendy Kidd: Mm-hmm.

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What about you, Kim?

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Kim Hughes: I would have to say

the same to a certain extent, but

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I also, um, I love our kiddos.

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We have kids and anybody that knows

me knows that I have this heart

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for kids, uh, with everything I do.

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But these kids are all

in a different spot in.

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Again, my child was in that same spot.

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And we have wonderful people from

their community that come in and pour

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into these kids that are in, a lot

of them are in horrible situations.

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You know, they may even be

in foster care at this time.

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They may be homeless,

living in a car with mom.

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Like lots of things are

going on in their world.

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And when you're 14, 15.

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Those are crucial points in your

life that set the tone for the

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rest of your life, in my opinion.

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And so if we can have somebody come in

and teach somebody how to make a pot

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holder, we had somebody come in and teach

kids how to whittle wood to make a pen.

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You know, just different things that.

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People are like, um, that's kind of weird.

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No, it's not.

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It's really not because at that moment

there's this person from the community

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or there's this lesson, or somebody

brings a homemade meal and just

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sits at the table and talks to kids.

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For that moment, there is a family.

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And I promise those kids come back.

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We have so many kids over the

last 10 years that we have

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helped that come back as adults.

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Miss, can I come in and te help

you with that class tonight?

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I wanna come in and talk to the kids.

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I wanna tell 'em my story.

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I wanna tell 'em these things.

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And yes, the adult success

stories are great, but when those.

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Young adults come back from being

a kid and wanna feed into the kids,

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that's when you know that you've

really made an impact on someone.

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And that's what keeps us going Yeah.

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Is that we know that we've laid

that solid foundation for people

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that they feel comfortable coming

back, sharing their stories.

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Wendy Kidd: That's so

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cool.

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I I love it.

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Love this.

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I love this just makes me feel good.

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So good.

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Okay.

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So tell me what you wish people would

understand more about your organization

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or the people that you serve.

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Shannon White: I think, I wish that

people would understand that they're

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all just great people, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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Nobody has this crazy uproar when

someone gets cancer, we meet 'em

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at the door with love, we take 'em

blankets, we do all these things, and

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substance abuse is a, is a disease.

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Nobody chooses it.

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I certainly didn't choose it, and

my parents didn't choose it for me.

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And so if we can understand that

these are hurting people and they just

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need love and connection, you know.

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Ironically, addiction is

a story of disconnection.

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You know?

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Right?

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Yes.

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You get the legal issues, you

get all these things which

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disconnects you from society.

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And the one thing that actually

helps and heals you is connection.

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And so, um, we, we tell

our people to come in, um.

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But first I didn't say the bad word.

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Um, come in with your worst stories

to us because it doesn't matter.

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I don't, I'm not gonna judge you

based on the worst parts of your day.

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But if you do that, then you don't have to

worry anymore that, okay, she thinks I'm

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this, and then I have to tell this secret.

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And so I wish people would just

understand these are great individuals.

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These are fabulous human beings that

have so much capacity for love and so

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much capacity to be viable citizens.

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Um, and they just need a leg up.

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Yep.

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They just need a leg up.

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Wendy Kidd: Agree.

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Agreed.

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You wanna add to that?

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Kim Hughes: No, I agree.

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I, I obviously, I

completely agree with that.

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Um, also for the family side, 'cause I'm

always gonna advocate for the family side.

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For the family side.

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I wish people would understand

that it's okay to reach out.

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Yeah, it's okay.

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Please don't hide it until you say, oh

man, they've been drinking for six months

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in their room and haven't come out.

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Well, I wish you would've called

me on day six, not six months.

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You know, let's talk about it.

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That stigma that goes with it.

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So many family members are

scared to say anything.

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I think that is one of the reasons I'm so.

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Open with my family story is I

want people to know out of that.

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I've met people at chamber meetings,

I've met people at networking events.

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I've met people at outreach

events and they hear my stuff and

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they're like, Hey, can you help?

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Hey, can you, can I bring my son?

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Hey, can we come meet Shannon?

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Hey, can we do this?

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Because all of a sudden

they're like, oh, okay.

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I am not in it alone.

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And that's what I wish

peep families understood.

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They're not in it alone.

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Yeah.

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Literally every, I don't know that

there's anybody out there could say

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that they, somebody in their world

hasn't been touched by addiction.

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Right.

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And some sort.

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Wendy Kidd: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's so prevalent.

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It's, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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What do you guys wish people

understood about nonprofits in general?

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Shannon White: That they're really

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hard.

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Um, it is.

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I was not, I don't ask for money.

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Well, that's not a strong suit of mine.

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I'm, I'm dig in, get, get

in with the dirty work.

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But asking for money is really hard.

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And as a nonprofit.

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Especially in this field, about half

of the money that our budget is, which

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is about a half a million dollars,

we have to fundraise and grant right.

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For, um, we don't get, we get paid

for a but in a seat and it's about a

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fifth of what someone gets for the same

program in a managed care facility.

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So we get $50 a night, they get

$350 a night up to $500 a night.

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And I think the hard part is

we, we all have a passion.

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People start a nonprofit with a

passion, and unfortunately, the money

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piece has to come with it, you know?

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Yeah.

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If Passion paid the

bills i'd, we'd be good.

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Right.

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It just doesn't,

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Wendy Kidd: yeah.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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For sure.

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Well, I got a podcast

episode for you coming up.

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Oh, good.

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So that'll help.

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Good, good.

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That'll help.

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All right.

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Well, tell me how people can

get involved, get specific, how

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can they come help you guys?

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Shannon White: Every night we try to serve

a meal, especially to our kids because

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they come right during dinner time.

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So we love anybody that wants

to bring a meal order pizza.

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It's really special when they

come and sit with the kids

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and, and have a conversation.

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'cause the kids actually feel like

they're aliens some of the time.

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So when people that are in the community

come and hang out with them, that's cool.

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We have snacks, um, we have recurring

donations you can do on our website.

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We have our gala coming up on October

30th, so we're looking for sponsorships

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and individual tickets or any type of,

um, people that have things like gift

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certificates or whatever that they wanna

do that we can auction off would be

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great.

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Wendy Kidd: Awesome.

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You gonna add to that?

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Kim Hughes: No.

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Yeah, I will.

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Okay.

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Um, one more thing we like to do is people

reach out a lot and want to come help.

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Mm-hmm.

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Since we do have a little bit of

regulations with HIPAA, um, we.

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Always love for service organizations

and um, different church groups,

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anything like that to do drives.

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We can take drives for anything.

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Uh, as people are going through

recovery, they eat, they want.

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Chocolate.

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They want sugar.

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So drives for candy, drives

for snacks, drives for drinks.

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All those things that takes money

that we don't have to take out of our

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budget and we can pour back into our

people when people do that outside.

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So we really love those days

and I love to see a little kid.

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Last week we had a little, um.

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Boy and girl come in with hot

dogs, hot dog buns and chips.

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They saw our post.

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They wanted to bring something.

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Grandma brought 'em in and they were able

to feed everybody that night, our adults

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and our kids, and it probably cost under

$20, and they were able to do that, and

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that makes such a lasting imprint on.

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Our clients and for our kids, um, the

reality and for our adults, the reality

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is not everybody has something to eat.

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Yeah.

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Um, we are in that place in our world

and society right now, and if we can make

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sure when they leave, they at least had a.

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Something in their tummy and they filled

their tummy, or they brought some crackers

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home for later in the night, we're golden.

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Yeah.

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You know, we're helping

in a different way.

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And

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Shannon White: if we feed, if we feed

'em, it saves them 10 bucks for a meal.

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So that puts money in

towards gas or whatever.

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'cause coming three nights

a week is expensive.

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Yeah.

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So if we can take, you know,

take an expense here, they

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can utilize it someplace else.

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Yeah.

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Wendy Kidd: I think those

are so great points.

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I wouldn't even thought about all

that, but I'm so glad you said it.

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And I will just say that.

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Kim is the queen of drives.

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: 00:22:02

If you wanna know how to do a drive, is

it okay if they reach out to you, Kim?

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Kim Hughes: Sure.

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I would love

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for you to reach out to me.

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Oh me.

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: 00:22:08

Wendy Kidd: See, you posted

about drives for all the

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: 00:22:10

Kim Hughes: different things.

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Yes, I believe and anybody that knows

me knows that I say the same thing.

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: 00:22:18

Yeah.

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: 00:22:18

People will do if you tell them to do.

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: 00:22:20

Yes.

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: 00:22:21

We have to educate people on what

we need, and that is my biggest.

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For anybody that is in the nonprofit

world, anybody trying to do something

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to help people, just educate people.

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: 00:22:32

Yeah.

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: 00:22:32

Yeah.

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: 00:22:32

Just educate 'em because the

world in general is still good.

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: 00:22:36

Wendy Kidd: Yeah, for sure.

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: 00:22:38

Okay, ladies, I'm gonna wrap it up here

and just say, making sure everybody knows

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that their website is gracetochange.org.

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: 00:22:44

Is that right?

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: 00:22:45

That's correct.

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Right, and so they can find you

on Facebook at Grace to Change

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: 00:22:49

McKinney or on Instagram as well.

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: 00:22:51

Anywhere else they should look for you.

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: 00:22:53

Is that covered up?

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1216 White Avenue.

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: 00:22:56

There you go.

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: 00:22:57

All right.

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: 00:22:57

Thank you ladies so much for

coming and being my podcast guests.

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I loved having you.

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You.

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Thanks for having us.

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Absolutely.

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And thanks everyone for tuning in.

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We'll see you next time.

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Kim Hughes: Thank you.

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Bye-bye.

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